As I say on the
Islam in the West
page,
most Muslim immigrants come to the West precisely because they support its freedoms
and want to escape failed states ruled by clerics and Islamic dictators.
We have a duty to let these freedom-loving Muslims in.
Western Muslims are the most liberal, tolerant, pro-democracy Muslims in the world.
All the dissidents are here
- the religious dissidents,
the political dissidents,
the feminist dissidents, and
the gay dissidents.
All the dissident works
- such as criticism of Islam and
Islamism
- are published in the West.
This is all much to be celebrated.
However, there is a substantial minority
(10-20 percent)
of immigrants
who threaten our western freedoms.
They are
Islamists
- essentially religious fascists who want to impose their religious beliefs
on the rest of us.
What to do about these aggressors is one of the questions of our time.
We have already seen this minority attack
England,
Scotland,
Spain,
Holland,
France,
Norway
and
Denmark,
and plot against
Germany,
Belgium,
Italy,
Sweden,
Portugal,
the
Czech Republic
and Ireland.
It is probably only a matter of time before they
successfully attack Ireland, too.
As in the UK,
there is a lack of moderate Muslims in Ireland
brave enough to stand up to the Islamists.
As in the UK,
most of the running is being made by infidels.
The ICCI was built and funded by
the ruling family of
Dubai,
United Arab Emirates,
a country with an appalling
human rights record
("Laws prohibit criticism of the government, ruling families, and friendly governments").
Has the ICCI ever condemned the lack of freedom in Dubai?
Tell me here.
The religious conservative
Hussein Halawa,
Imam of the
ICCI
Hussein Halawa
denies
the
claim
that he said he would like to see Ireland an Islamic state.
But
"I have never made such a statement"
is not much of a denial.
I would like to see him go further and
state clearly that he is opposed to an Islamic state
because he believes in freedom of religion
for all, including atheists
like me.
I don't threaten his religious freedom.
I want to be confident that he does not threaten mine.
Open question to Hussein Halawa:
Can you please state openly that you believe in freedom of religion,
including the right to be an atheist,
and including the right of a Muslim to convert from Islam to atheism?
Let me know the answer here.
Hussein Halawa is also General Secretary of the
European Council for Fatwa and Research,
based at the ICCI at Clonskeagh.
The ECFR is headed by
the extremist religious fascist
Yusuf Al-Qaradawi,
who, among many other disgusting beliefs,
supports suicide bombing of civilians,
explicitly rejects separation of state and church
and freedom of religion,
and supports death for atheists and homosexuals.
He is banned from entering the US because of his support for violence and terror.
The Tory party has called for him to be banned from the UK.
The 'sheikh of death' must be barred,
Mark Dooley,
Sunday Independent,
July 17th 2005.
- "Yusuf al-Qaradawi is banned from entering the United States
and will soon be barred from Britain.
If Minister McDowell is serious about combating Islamic fanaticism here,
he must follow suit by ensuring that the "theologian of terror" is permanently prevented
from entering this State."
This group should have no place in Ireland.
The ECFR should be expelled from Ireland.
Apparently, the ECFR moves to wherever the General Secretary is,
which is why it is in Ireland.
When Hussein Halawa's time as General Secretary expires,
the ECFR will move on to the location of the new General Secretary
(i.e. outside Ireland).
Even Islamist whitewasher
Mary Fitzgerald
says:
"Many Muslim Brotherhood members I met recently in Cairo asked me if I knew Sheikh Halawa after hearing I was from Ireland."
In 2007 the Clonskeagh mosque hosted two extremist speakers:
Saudi cleric
Salman Al Awda
(or
Salman al-Audah
or Salman Al-Aouda),
one of the
26 Saudi scholars
who issued the fatwa in 2004 calling for holy war against the Americans in Iraq.
"There is no doubt that the Jihad against the occupation is a duty of those who are capable of it."
And this man was let into Ireland!
He visited Clonskeagh in 2007.
Ali Al Saleh, imam of the Shia mosque in Dublin,
said the cleric had recently written an article in a Saudi newspaper
describing Shias as "non-Muslims".
Egyptian cleric
Wagdy Ghoneim
(or Wajdi Ghunaim),
supporter of suicide bombing.
"Those young people who explode themselves to kill the Jews were not committing suicide but jihad."
He was denied entrance into Canada for being a member of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.
And yet he was let into Ireland!
And invited by the Clonskeagh mosque.
He visited Clonskeagh in 2006
and 2007.
Ali Selim says he
does not believe
the London suicide bombings
were carried out by Muslims:
"events that happened in England - I personally haven't seen compelling proof
that that was done by Muslims."
Hot Press: "But the 7/7 bombers were Muslims!"
"In my understanding, I haven't seen proof that those who did that were Muslims."
He also expresses doubts about the standard theories of 9/11.
He says he is against violence,
but declines to judge Bin Laden as a terrorist, saying he would have to meet him and talk to him.
He declines to say that people should have the right to draw cartoons of Muhammed
in a free society.
He declines to condemn the fatwa against Salman Rushdie.
He defends Sharia law if the majority want it.
He says about Iraq:
"all the Iraqi people describe themselves as fighting against the occupation",
which is nonsense.
How about all of the Iraqi army and police, who are fighting with the occupation
against the jihadis?
He says: "So they see that they have no other alternative",
which sounds like support for violence to me.
If not, clarify this here.
And they do have an alternative.
They don't have to fight allied troops.
They can simply vote for a party
that asks for the occupation to end.
Why didn't they?
The answer is because they don't want the occupation to end.
At least, not yet.
He never has doubts about his belief in an invisible supernatural being:
"Never! Never. Never. There is God, all the time.
I find it really very strange if someone believes - or even thinks
- that there is no Allah or there is no God."
Maybe he should read a bit more.
In short, he is at best a useless neutral in this global war.
He will be of absolutely no use at all in this conflict.
No other minority that I know of
threatens our ancient freedoms like this.
Only the Muslim community, apparently.
If there is any other minority
that has openly threatened our ancient freedoms in Ireland,
let me know here.
Open question to Ali Selim:
Can you state that everyone in the world
should have the right to draw cartoons of Muhammed.
Can you state clearly that Salman Rushdie has the right to publish his book,
even if you think it is rubbish.
Can you state that
all Muslims in the world should have the right to freely convert
to any other religion, or to atheism,
without fear.
Let me know the answer here.
Ali Selim of the Clonskeagh mosque supports the
blasphemy law, RTE, Prime Time, 12th January 2010.
And see part 2.
He welcomes the law, and threatens our freedoms more:
"I would be more delighted to see it going further and further.
But it has taken the first step" [to enslaving Ireland under sharia].
Talking about Islam, he says:
"We don't impose it on others",
but then hypocritically says:
"all that we ask others to do with it,
do not degrade it, full stop.""If you say something offensive about my prophet,
it's something that is definitely not going to be tolerated."
Is Dermot Ahern proud?
Shaheed Satardien
says Ireland should control the immigration of extremists:
"Neither should the [Irish] government allow in any further senior clerics from outside Ireland,
from places like Egypt or Sudan.
Many of these recent arrivals are preaching a message that is divisive
and ultimately very dangerous to Ireland and its citizens."
Open question to Shaheed Satardien:
Can you state that everyone in the world
should have the right to draw cartoons of Muhammed,
Jesus or any other figure.
Can you state that all Muslims in the world should have the right to freely convert
to any other religion, or to atheism,
without fear.
Let me know the answer here.
Letter, 2 Feb 2007:
"The Supreme Muslim Council of Ireland would like to say that it believes that the rule of civil law,
the democratic system of representation in government,
the protection of the rights of women and minorities
and the freedom of thought and belief - under all of which we live here in Ireland -
are not only compatible with Islamic values but are closer to the ethos and spirit of tolerance,
pluralism and peace in Islam and better serve the Irish Muslim community
than the undemocratic regimes and the draconian judicial systems
found in some predominately Muslim countries today."
Great stuff, but still not enough.
Can the Supreme Muslim Council of Ireland answer my questions above?
Politically-correct left-wingers and conservative Muslim groups attack
Shaheed Satardien:
Satardien
claimed
that extremist Islamist views are widespread among young Muslims in Ireland.
Racism group claims Irish media is fuelling Islamophobia, August 27, 2006:
The ultra PC
"National Consultative Committee on Racism and Interculturalism"
(NCCRI, which taxpayers are forced to fund)
complains about the coverage given to Satardien.
The NCCRI says:
"One paper widely quoted the leader of the Muslim Supreme Council of Ireland.
This entity is almost non-existent and has a handful of members.
It is completely unrepresentative, as were the unfounded opinions of its leader.
Just because something makes a good soundbite or is shocking,
does not mean it is correct or should be printed."
I agree with
John Fay
that those who want to deny any possible Islamism problem
- like the NCCRI
and conservative Muslim groups like the ICCI -
are liable to increase "Islamophobia",
while Muslims who challenge Islamism like Satardien
are liable to reduce it.
The ICCI says:
"We have 1,000 people coming to the mosque here at each of the weekend prayer meetings,
and many are horrified that extreme and complete untrue statements are being made,
and allowed to go almost unchallenged."
What are they talking about?
The appalling statements of their fascist associate
Yusuf Al-Qaradawi?
No. They are talking about claims that Islamist ideas are spreading among young Irish Muslims.
The ICCI's reaction makes one afraid that these claims must be true.
Then the ICCI says:
"We have had to deal with enough anti-Islam criticism through the years,
but when it comes from one of your supposed own, it is even more difficult to deal with."
Frankly, that sounds like a threat to any Muslim who dares to speak against Islamism.
Not a physical threat, but certainly a threat of
ostracism in the Muslim community.
If the ICCI welcomes Muslims who attack Islamism,
there is no sign of it here.
Describing Satardien as
"one of your supposed own" is a particularly nasty, closed-ranks, tribal
turn of phrase.
As I say, groups like the ICCI merely spread fear of Islam
with reactions like this.
Allegations
(also here)
that some of them were connected to the Taliban.
If it is true that these people are connected to the Taliban,
then they should be deported, even if their lives are in danger.
We should not care about the lives and safety of fascists.
We should not let them in,
because they will only attack us.
People who do not believe in Western values should not be let in to the West,
even if they are being persecuted.
The Irish Daily Mail
points out
the irony of them desecrating a Christian church in Ireland rather than a mosque:
"Here was a group of Muslim zealots, some of whom were allied in Afghanistan
to political groups who treat Christianity with murderous contempt."
OK, so maybe it is false that they are Muslim zealots.
But why did they desecrate a church rather than a mosque?
RTE "Prime Time", 18 December 2006,
investigates Islamist extremism and terror groups in Ireland.
See summary.
Conference promoting Hamas and other violent Islamists, held in Dublin, Apr 2009.
See
Irish Times report.
Speakers included
Sheikh Yousef al Baz, a Muslim cleric from the West Bank,
who said: "resistance is the only way, and not negotiation
...
We supported the jihad and we will do so until Allah grants us victory".
"Pro-Hamas paraphernalia, including DVDs featuring armed Hamas fighters
and Sheikh Yassin
.. were on sale at the event.".
Speakers also included the pro-terror
Azzam Tamimi:
"Mr Tamimi drew applause when he praised insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan. He said he disagreed with the Taliban's views on certain matters, but added: "With regard to their attitudes to liberation I say 'Long live the Taliban'."
Irish Islamism-lover
"Richard Boyd Barrett of the Irish Anti-War Movement told attendees that it was "entirely legitimate" to argue that "Israel has no right to exist"".
Irish Examiner, 10 Mar 2010 (not online), quotes Ali Al Saleh (imam of the Shia mosque in Dublin) condemning the plot.
He condemns unnamed Islamists in Ireland who are involved in
"brainwashing" young people,
"the sort of praising of those who are fighting for Islam."
Good for him.
The only Irish media I have found to print
the names of those arrested are the
Evening Herald, 11 Mar 2010 (not online),
and the
Irish Daily Mail, 12 Mar 2010 (not online).
Foreign media (Swedish and Croatian) have also printed the names.
RTE and the Irish Times obviously think it best for us not to know.
The above sources give the names of those arrested in Ireland as:
Sharif Damache (Algerian) and his wife Jamie Ramirez (American).
Danijel Orsos (Croatian).
Abd Al-Salam Mansur Al Jahani (Libyan)
and his wife Nadah Sameh (Palestinian).
Ghamrassan Moulay-Slimane (Algerian)
and his wife Iles Moulay-Slimane (Algerian).
These are arrests only. None of these people have been convicted of anything.
The Jawa Report and other Internet counter-jihadis
have been on the
Colleen LaRose case
for years.
The majority (59 percent) of Irish Muslims disagree that
"people in Ireland should be free to say whatever they want,
even if it offends other people's religious beliefs".
Though 35 percent agree.
37 percent of Irish Muslims would like Ireland to be governed as an Islamic state.
Though 50 percent said they would not.
The majority (57 percent) of young Irish Muslims (under 26)
believe Ireland should become an Islamic State.
36 percent of Irish Muslims said they "respect" Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
investigates Islamist extremism and terror groups in Ireland.
See summary.
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