After the fall of the vile dictator Mubarak in 2011,
will human rights for Christians, apostates, atheists and gays
in Egypt get better, or worse?
Worse is the answer so far, it seems.
Egyptian dictator
Mubarak
was Head of the
Non-Aligned Movement
2009-11
(which shows exactly what the Non-Aligned Movement is).
Egyptian dictator
Mubarak
was Head of the
African Union
1989-90 and 1993-94
(which shows exactly what the African Union is).
A lost world
- Jewish girls of Alexandria
at their
Bat Mitzvah.
From here.
A lost world:
Cairo University, Class of 1978.
A time when only rural peasants wore headscarfs.
See here
how, over time, Egyptian women have been forced into Islamic dress.
Nick Cohen:
"The Muslim Brotherhood is an imperialist movement that wants to establish a Muslim empire
in which laws will come from an early medieval holy book
rather than the parliaments elected by mortal men and women.
It is sexist because its clerics justify the beating and circumcision of women.
It is homophobic because it justifies the execution of homosexuals.
And it is psychopathic because it justifies the murders of apostates, any Jew in Israel
and any British or American soldier in Iraq."
Egyptian jihadi
Hani al-Sibai,
living off the taxpayer in London.
He should be deported.
Hani al-Sibai
rants war and hatred from London:
See transcript.
Article, Aug 2007:
Khurshid Ahmed of the British Muslim Forum: "People who seek to undermine our liberal democracy and our traditions and values have no business being in this country."
David Davis, shadow home secretary: "Clearly this man has deplorable views, and the sooner he is removed from Britain the better."
See his hilarious theory about the meaning of eating
turkey
(and here)
at Christmas:
"This shows the kind of hatred that is deeply rooted in the West - they serve the Turkish, Ottoman, Muslim man as food at the table, for entertainment and as a sign that they have slaughtered him."
What an idiot.
The cool Egyptian liberal Sayid Al-Qimni
has contempt for him:
"This man uses filthy and nauseating language. To hell with him.
... You are completely insane. Go away. Go.
What, all the garbage dumps were closed and they had to go the sewage to get you?"
Ayman al-Zawahiri Christmas message.
A spoof in which, after reading the Koran and the New Testament,
al-Zawahiri loses his faith and becomes a Christian.
Rape as a tool of jihad:
Muslim Egyptian female lawyer
Nagla Al-Imam,
Al-Arabiya TV, October 2008.
She
says Muslim men should rape Jewish women
as part of their jihad.
"In my opinion, they are fair game for all Arabs".
From MEMRI.
Search for copies:
Bizarrely,
Nagla Al-Imam
converted from Islam to Christianity in 2009, and is now being persecuted in Egypt.
She rather unconvincingly claims the above video is fake.
As Copts lay burning and dying
in the street,
some
Muslim passers-by
celebrated,
shouting"Allahu Akbar!"
But not all Egyptian Muslims are like that.
Liberal Muslims rallied in support of Copts
and even formed "human shields" outside their churches during services.
A rare good news story from the Islamic world.
But can such good people possibly win against their ruthless enemies?
Uncle Sam's Muslim Brotherhood
- He attacks the western media
for not supporting anti-Islamist Muslims.
"I should be weeping because the Western mainstream media is telling the world that the only true faithful Muslims
are those who wear the stupid cloth on their head (that was nonexistent 30 years ago)
and separate boys and girls in schools. I should be weeping because Time magazine is showing us that only girls
clad in black with no makeup on are the true Muslims who are struggling between
their Islamic and their American identities. Meanwhile, those Muslims who disagree with the head veil,
who think that Islam needs reform a la all major faiths, and who believe that we cannot live like our Muslim brethren
did 1400 years ago are the "lesser Muslims" or the Muslims that are "out of the mainstream"."
Kareem Amer was jailed in Feb 2007 by
Egypt for criticism of
Islam
and criticism of Egypt's unelected dictator
Mubarak,
both of which should be perfectly legal.
When he was jailed, he was
expelled from Al-Azhar University.
His girlfriend, 20 year old atheist
Aliaa Magda Elmahdy,
posted a
nude picture
of herself to the Internet in Oct 2011 to challenge Egypt's (and Islam's) stifling censorship.
In the Cold War, we knew that the Soviet Bloc dissidents believed in freedom.
We knew they would set up liberal democracies when they won.
This war is different.
There
are so few voices in the Islamic Middle East
calling for religious freedom (e.g. for apostates),
sexual freedom (e.g. for gays)
or a pro-freedom
foreign policy (e.g. pro-Israel).
The Islamic street may want to get rid of the dictator,
but it rarely seems to want freedom.
Mubarak was a vile dictator who denied human rights.
But will Egyptians install an
Islamist tyranny
instead?
After the failures of Iran, Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan,
it's hard to have any optimism about the Islamic street.
I would love to be proved wrong.
2011 Egyptian revolution.
A mix of democrats and Islamists versus a dictatorship.
Will the violent and totalitarian Muslim Brotherhood
overwhelm the peaceful democrats?
(Like what happened in Iran in 1979
and in Russia in 1917.)
Larry Derfner, 2 Feb 2011, says Israel and the West have got to take the chance and support this.
He says the protest in Egypt and across the Arab world is, for all its flaws:
"by far the greatest, most powerful demonstration for democracy in Arab history".
Ted Leddy, 4 Mar 2011, understands the fears about the
Arab revolutions of 2011,
but says a bad ending is not inevitable:
"From the US State Department to Mossad intelligence, and every plethora of human rights organisations and NGO's in between, nobody saw this coming. Even the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Al Qaeda and Iran have been slow to take advantage of the situation. And the reason for this is because what is happening today in the Middle east is a genuine unrehearsed grassroots uprising by normal people against authoritarianism.
...
Most on the right believe that any overthrow of a dictator will result in .. the reemergence of a new strong man or worse, an Islamist movement. This is very possible. Furthermore, many are arguing that democracy cannot take hold until there is an Islamic reformation. Again, its a fair point.
...
Having said all that, human history is not predictable. Nobody predicted this might happen so who is to say where it might end up.
... I personally will continue to cheer when tyranny falls. I do not have the burden of responsibility of being in the White House so I accept that I can afford to be romantic where as others cannot. But the opportunity to replace tyranny with democracy on such a large scale does not come around often. If the opportunity is wasted, we will regret it for generations."
Sandmonkey, 12 Feb 2011, on the fall of Mubarak:
"Tonight will be the first night where I go to bed and don't have to worry about state security hunting me down,
or about government goons sent to kidnap me; or about government sponsored hackers attacking my website.
Tonight, for the first time ever, I feel free .. and it is awesome!
Save any and all disagreements with any of the groups that operate them.
We will disagree with each other, and that will be sweet because no more dictatorship. Tomorrow we squabble, and .. tonite?
TONIGHT WE CELEBRATE!
FUCK OFF MUBARAK .. I HOPE YOU BURN IN HELL!"
Pessimism - All the jihad lovers and Israel haters support the revolution
The problem is, all the jihad supporters and Israel haters think the Egyptian protests are great.
This makes me worried this is another Iranian revolution.
The jihad-supporting
Seumas Milne is excited, 2 Feb 2011.
The jihad-supporting
Irish Anti War Movement, 1 Feb 2011, says the protests are
"the first signs of hope in many decades for a better future for the entire population of the Middle East,
not least the oppressed Palestinians across the border."
That is, they predict and hope that a tidal wave of Islamist oppression and violence
is coming.
Israel-haters
Richard Boyd Barrett
and
Raymond Deane
lead a creepy protest outside the Egyptian embassy, Dublin, 21 Nov 2011,
in response to recent killings of protesters.
They declare that the Egyptian revolution is a threat to Israel,
and this is a good thing.
Many of the revolutionaries believe in jihad and sharia, not freedom
Anti-Israel protesters.
They say Mubarak's peace with Israel is wrong,
because it wounds Arab pride:
"Yes, we have peace, but we have no dignity."
Egyptians don't believe in freedom:
90 percent say they believe in "freedom of religion".
But 84 percent support the death penalty for those who leave Islam.
Also here.
The Islamic Defenders Front
in Indonesia explains the paradox.
To many Muslims,
"freedom of religion" means freedom to promote Islam and suppress other religions.
Vowing to exterminate the Ahmadiyah sect, he says:
"the government must know which one is freedom of religion and which one is desecration [of religion]."
Roland Shirk, 12 Feb 2011, is worried by Mubarak's fall:
"In nations with no history of constitutional protections, with religious majorities that are openly intolerant, minorities fare much worse than they do under "enlightened" despots or colonial regimes. ...
The track record of modern Jacobin democracy gives us no reason to treasure much hope for the Christians of Egypt.
...
I fear that the failure of Mubarak to arrange for an orderly, undemocratic succession that would keep the Muslim Brotherhood where it belongs - firmly beneath the iron heel of a secular state - will cost far more Arab lives in the long run than it would have cost to repress the riots. I hope that I am proved wrong.
... I don't need to be vindicated by history. I would much, much rather be wrong."
Victor Davis Hanson, February 26, 2011,
says it is hard to believe in the Arab street, but this is their chance to prove themselves.
We will find out soon if the people are any better than the dictators.
"That may be, or it may be that these awful governments - from Baathism to theocracy to seventh-century monarchy to lunatic Gaddafism to military dictatorship - were all pretty much reflective, in varying degrees depending on local histories, of the values and customs of the masses."
Egyptian protesters say they want to destroy Israel.
Mubarak would be better than the people in this video.
Hat tip The Jawa Report, which
notes depressing Egyptian opinion polls.
Rape of western reporters
Can you imagine in a page on the 1989 revolutions in Eastern Europe,
a section called "Rape of western reporters"?
It says it all, really,
about how crap this revolution is.
US TV journalist
Lara Logan
was covering the celebrations in Tahrir Square
as Mubarak stepped down,
when she was attacked, beaten and sexually assaulted by the mob.
The crowd shouted "Jew, Jew!" and "Israeli!"
(she is not either).
Lara Logan speaks
to the South African media
(she is South African).
She says that
"her clothes were ripped off, she was kicked and punched, her hair pulled out and she was sexually attacked.
She said she had escaped being raped because of the intervention of a group of women who threw themselves on top of her, protecting her from further harm."
She says more about the attack:
""For an extended period of time, they raped me with their hands," Ms. Logan said ... She estimated that the attack involved 200 to 300 men.
...
[Her colleagues] estimated that they were separated from her for about 25 minutes.
"My clothes were torn to pieces," Ms. Logan said.
...
[She was] rescued by a group of civilians and Egyptian soldiers".
Further attacks on western female journalists by Egyptian rapists:
Mona Eltahawy
is from Egypt, but moved to the US
and writes for the western media.
She was arrested and
sexually assaulted by Egyptian security forces in Nov 2011.
Egyptian Muslims cut off Christian's ear, 20 Mar 2011.
"Mr. Mitri said that the Muslims tried to convert him to Islam, but he refused."
Because nothing says "Come join our wonderful religion"
like cutting your ear off!
3,000 Muslims attack Christians in village in Egypt, Jan 2012. Christian homes and shops were looted and burnt.
And what got the mob into such a frenzy?
A rumour that a Christian man had an intimate photo of a Muslim woman on his phone.
Let's burn Christian houses!
No 'Revolution' for Egypt's Christians -
Raymond Ibrahim, 27 Mar 2011, on the persecution of Christians since the so-called "freedom" revolution in Egypt.
Report in Sept 2011 says 100,000 Christians have fled Egypt since "liberation" in Mar 2011.
Imbaba church attacks, May 2011.
Muslim supremacists attack Christians
for no reason, burn 3 Christian churches.
Copts fight back.
6 Muslims and 4 Christians killed.
Maspero demonstrations, Oct 2011. Egyptian army kills Christian protesters in Cairo. 26 dead.
As Jihad Watch notes, Islamic anger and pride cause poverty:
"This mindset threatens a future of poverty and instability for Egypt, as no one is going to invest in a country where assets can be destroyed in a fit of rage at the drop of a hat.
There can be no prosperous society without stability, and no stability without a sense of priorities and self control on the individual, familial, and societal level."
Apart from the sordid, disgusting revolution,
and the increased persecution of Christians,
there are other signs that the new, post-revolution Egypt
is a worse, not better place
than Mubarak's Egypt.
Sharia:
Poll, Apr 2011: Majority of Egyptians want Egypt's laws based on the Quran.
In Aug 2011, Egypt arrested
Ayman Mansour
for criticising Islam on Facebook. In Oct 2011, he got 3 years in jail.
Remind me what was the point of the Egyptian revolution again?
Egypt's most popular comedian,
Adel Emam
was
jailed for 3 months in Apr 2012 in "liberated" Egypt for "insulting" Islam.
Showing yet again the pathetic nature of this "revolution".
Poll, May 2012.
60 percent of Egyptians want "strict" sharia law.
A further 32 percent want "moderate" sharia law.
On the role of religion in government, 61 percent chose Saudi Arabia as the preferred model.
There is no hope for these useless people and their useless revolution.
Anti-Israel:
Poll, Spring 2011,
shows 62 percent of Egyptians support suicide bombing of civilians.
Poll, Apr 2011: Majority of Egyptians want to end the 1979 peace treaty with Israel.
Israel, July 2011, says the Egyptian revolution has allowed a massive re-arming of the terror state of Gaza.
"Hamas and Islamic Jihad have obtained more than 10,000 rockets and missiles
- including a large stockpile of Iranian Fajr-5 rockets that can reach Tel Aviv".
Mob attack on Israeli Embassy in Cairo, Sept 2011.
An Islamist mob drives Israeli diplomats out of Egypt.
Egyptian police stand by and do nothing - just as they do during Islamist attacks on Copts.
Poll, May 2012.
61 percent of Egyptians want to abandon the peace treaty with Israel.
Egyptian Muslim
Mohamed ElBaradei
is supposedly the face of "moderate", secular Egypt.
He is the former head of the useless
IAEA,
which let rogue states develop nuclear weapons.
He is a favourite of the western left,
and received the
Nobel Peace Prize
in 2005.
Mohamed ElBaradei, running for Egyptian President, says on 4 Apr 2011 that he would attack Israel:
"if Israel attacked Gaza we would declare war against the Zionist regime."
"Zionist regime"?
I think we can see where he is coming from now.
Mario Loyola, 5 Apr 2011, says ElBaradei will encourage war:
"such a declaration creates a huge incentive for Hamas to attack Israeli civilians where Egypt's policy had previously been to discourage such attacks. Strategically speaking, Egypt would be embracing Hamas as the tip of its spear, turned now against Israel. Best of all (from the point of view of a Hamas terrorist), Egypt would be giving Hamas the ability to trigger a state of war between Egypt and Israel."
Remind me what the point of the Egyptian revolution was again?
Raymond Ibrahim, 1 Dec 2011:
"now that the people have spoken - empowering the Muslim Brotherhood and their Salafi henchmen - Egypt prepares to plummet headlong into a new dark age of primitivism."
Rusty Shackleford:
"Apparently Egyptians want to be more oppressed, not less."
The Hamas "Mickey Mouse"
tells children it is their obligation to fight the Jews,
that all Jews must be killed,
and that Islam must dominate the world.
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre
which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the crusades"
- Egyptian Azzam Pasha,
first Secretary General
of the Arab League,
on the war against Israel in 1948.
"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel."
- Egyptian President
Nasser
on the war against Israel in 1967.
"The Copts have always picked a fight.
They always say we are the real owners of this land.
...
They want to twist the military rulers' arms so they can get more churches. Why aren't they happy with the churches they've got?"
- An
Egyptian Muslim woman, Oct 2011, sums up the unthinking oppression of the dhimmi in the Islamic world.
She thinks Christians should have to get permission from the Islamic state to build churches.
And if the bigoted, anti-Christian, Islamic state thinks they have enough,
they should be happy with that.
See transcript.
Bizarrely,
Nagla Al-Imam
converted from Islam to Christianity in 2009, and is now being persecuted in Egypt.
She rather unconvincingly claims the above video is fake.
Since 1995.
